Splidz
05-22-2003, 01:59 PM
Posted on the Planetside.com message board:
On Emerald server, there is an outfit named Hand of God. It is a small outfit with only 20 members. On the the Top 10 BEP Leaderboard, no.1 through no.8 are all Hand of God. On the top 10 Outfit Leaderboard they are listed as the #1 TR Outfit on Emerald. If you calculate their outfit pts per member, they out score all other outfits on any server. The gap with which they outscore everyone is amazing. Take a peek..
Using the top 3 outfits from each faction on Emerald, heres some examples of Average Points per Outfit Member:
OutfitPtAvg = OutfitPts / #Members
*146,904* = 2938091 / 20 = *Hand of God* (TR)
89,716 = 2242913 / 25 = Da'Kor (TR)
44,433 = 1644023 / 37 = VS MAX Corp (VS)
37,520 = 6641147 / 177 = Sturmgrenadier (NC)
34,248 = 2671403 / 78 = HMX-1 (TR)
32,270 = 2420304 / 75 = www.xenforcers (VS)
31,689 = 2535133 / 80 = -PAW- (NC)
20,467 = 3704538 / 181 = Retards With Sticks (NC)
20,324 = 1382032 / 68 = The Forty Deuce (VS)
That's a bit of an anomolly to me. Most outfits have 20-40k per member. That's about 30k per member avg. Hand of God has quintupled that average. Five times more exp than all the other folks playing the game. I think Da'Kor with almost 90k per member may have dabbled in what Hand of God is doing. Here is a picture of what they are doing:
http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~tf152/Pics/raz-pscheater.jpg
(credits to raz1337 for this snapshot which he's posted in another thread.)
In the screenshot you can find Madteo, Neeb, Dresdenn, and I think that's Dallas just outside the door. Madteo's comment of "We told you too much, time to die" made me raise an eyebrow. You can also find these few players in the top 10 of TR BEP Leaderboard on Emerald.
Madteo = 337,666 pts
Neeb = 256,759 pts
Dresdenn = 255,842 pts
Dallas = 251,954 pts
Just four of these Hand of God have over 1mil pts when some entire outfits in the top 10 barely have that much. The top pts for NC & VS are 160,000 or so.
How do they do it? I think many have heard of it already, more will soon. You take your squad, block out a cap room physically to deny access to enemy OR FRIENDLY soldiers. Then, a 2nd account with an opposing faction character or a willing enemy joins your squad in the cap room. You protect him from any friendlies trying to kill him because you need him to stay alive. Your enemy patsy hacks the base, your squad hacks it back. Advanced hackers on each side, so it takes 60 secs to ping-pong the base once. Wash, rinse, repeat. Bring the beer, chat it up, ping-pong, ping-pong.
For each rehack lets guess around 1000 pts, rough estimate. That's over 50,000 pts an hour. I've played about 20-30 hours so far and I have a bit over 125,000 pts. The folks in the screen shot, they have 250,000+ each.
Soooooooooo, down to the point of this long post:
IF I DO THIS WILL YOU BAN MY ACCOUNT?
If it's an exploit or bug, I shouldn't do it and I would expect to be suspended or possibly banned if I abused it and didn't report it.
If it is NOT an exploit or a bug, I'm going to recommend that my outfit do this to get us to BR20 / CR5 in a day. Maybe two days.
Also, any friendly at the base should get rehack pts. Just have to stay in SOI for 1 min each time for the ping to pong... We could power level the whole Outfit. Heck we could power level the whole NC Faction by advertising where the party is at in Sanctuary...
I hope Dev's will post here some guidance. I'll also /appeal in game to see if those folks have any answer.
I don't want the game to be unbalanced, and I don't want to encourage poor sportsmanship or bad behavior. (non sequitor: Mendicant, my apologies to you on that point.) I also don't want to grind to BR20/CR5. Dev's, please give the players a yes or no on this. Alot of folks are uncertain if they should say 'Boooo exploiters' or 'Yay smart people!'
So, in closing, we've seen what the ping-pong method can accomplish. We aren't sure if it is allowed with out consequences against our accounts or reputations. We are requesting some official feedback / guidance on the matter.
Spork's reponse:
Individuals who were using the exploit have been contacted and we've let them know that we will be watching their activities for a while to make sure they understand that this activity is an exploit. Having said that, it is not likely that this will be possible in the coming weeks, as lightly guarded bases become rarer. While we are prepared to take action to make sure the activity does not run rampant, we also have to recognize that power gamers will always find the quickest and most efficient ways of ranking up. For the most part, this is fine as long as they stay within the parameters of the gameplay design - we do want people to feel rewarded for their commitment to this achievement. We just have to balance that with the more casual player watching and feeling slighted by those who use exploits to get there.
"While we are prepared to take action to make sure the activity does not run rampant, we also have to recognize that power gamers will always find the quickest and most efficient ways of ranking up." WTF does that mean? It's okay, cuz they're "power" gamers? Fuck that...they should have all their XP taken away from them.
On Emerald server, there is an outfit named Hand of God. It is a small outfit with only 20 members. On the the Top 10 BEP Leaderboard, no.1 through no.8 are all Hand of God. On the top 10 Outfit Leaderboard they are listed as the #1 TR Outfit on Emerald. If you calculate their outfit pts per member, they out score all other outfits on any server. The gap with which they outscore everyone is amazing. Take a peek..
Using the top 3 outfits from each faction on Emerald, heres some examples of Average Points per Outfit Member:
OutfitPtAvg = OutfitPts / #Members
*146,904* = 2938091 / 20 = *Hand of God* (TR)
89,716 = 2242913 / 25 = Da'Kor (TR)
44,433 = 1644023 / 37 = VS MAX Corp (VS)
37,520 = 6641147 / 177 = Sturmgrenadier (NC)
34,248 = 2671403 / 78 = HMX-1 (TR)
32,270 = 2420304 / 75 = www.xenforcers (VS)
31,689 = 2535133 / 80 = -PAW- (NC)
20,467 = 3704538 / 181 = Retards With Sticks (NC)
20,324 = 1382032 / 68 = The Forty Deuce (VS)
That's a bit of an anomolly to me. Most outfits have 20-40k per member. That's about 30k per member avg. Hand of God has quintupled that average. Five times more exp than all the other folks playing the game. I think Da'Kor with almost 90k per member may have dabbled in what Hand of God is doing. Here is a picture of what they are doing:
http://dynamic5.gamespy.com/~tf152/Pics/raz-pscheater.jpg
(credits to raz1337 for this snapshot which he's posted in another thread.)
In the screenshot you can find Madteo, Neeb, Dresdenn, and I think that's Dallas just outside the door. Madteo's comment of "We told you too much, time to die" made me raise an eyebrow. You can also find these few players in the top 10 of TR BEP Leaderboard on Emerald.
Madteo = 337,666 pts
Neeb = 256,759 pts
Dresdenn = 255,842 pts
Dallas = 251,954 pts
Just four of these Hand of God have over 1mil pts when some entire outfits in the top 10 barely have that much. The top pts for NC & VS are 160,000 or so.
How do they do it? I think many have heard of it already, more will soon. You take your squad, block out a cap room physically to deny access to enemy OR FRIENDLY soldiers. Then, a 2nd account with an opposing faction character or a willing enemy joins your squad in the cap room. You protect him from any friendlies trying to kill him because you need him to stay alive. Your enemy patsy hacks the base, your squad hacks it back. Advanced hackers on each side, so it takes 60 secs to ping-pong the base once. Wash, rinse, repeat. Bring the beer, chat it up, ping-pong, ping-pong.
For each rehack lets guess around 1000 pts, rough estimate. That's over 50,000 pts an hour. I've played about 20-30 hours so far and I have a bit over 125,000 pts. The folks in the screen shot, they have 250,000+ each.
Soooooooooo, down to the point of this long post:
IF I DO THIS WILL YOU BAN MY ACCOUNT?
If it's an exploit or bug, I shouldn't do it and I would expect to be suspended or possibly banned if I abused it and didn't report it.
If it is NOT an exploit or a bug, I'm going to recommend that my outfit do this to get us to BR20 / CR5 in a day. Maybe two days.
Also, any friendly at the base should get rehack pts. Just have to stay in SOI for 1 min each time for the ping to pong... We could power level the whole Outfit. Heck we could power level the whole NC Faction by advertising where the party is at in Sanctuary...
I hope Dev's will post here some guidance. I'll also /appeal in game to see if those folks have any answer.
I don't want the game to be unbalanced, and I don't want to encourage poor sportsmanship or bad behavior. (non sequitor: Mendicant, my apologies to you on that point.) I also don't want to grind to BR20/CR5. Dev's, please give the players a yes or no on this. Alot of folks are uncertain if they should say 'Boooo exploiters' or 'Yay smart people!'
So, in closing, we've seen what the ping-pong method can accomplish. We aren't sure if it is allowed with out consequences against our accounts or reputations. We are requesting some official feedback / guidance on the matter.
Spork's reponse:
Individuals who were using the exploit have been contacted and we've let them know that we will be watching their activities for a while to make sure they understand that this activity is an exploit. Having said that, it is not likely that this will be possible in the coming weeks, as lightly guarded bases become rarer. While we are prepared to take action to make sure the activity does not run rampant, we also have to recognize that power gamers will always find the quickest and most efficient ways of ranking up. For the most part, this is fine as long as they stay within the parameters of the gameplay design - we do want people to feel rewarded for their commitment to this achievement. We just have to balance that with the more casual player watching and feeling slighted by those who use exploits to get there.
"While we are prepared to take action to make sure the activity does not run rampant, we also have to recognize that power gamers will always find the quickest and most efficient ways of ranking up." WTF does that mean? It's okay, cuz they're "power" gamers? Fuck that...they should have all their XP taken away from them.